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Post by idic5 on Mar 19, 2024 6:03:31 GMT
got a new camera that puts this out in 200mbps, but does not show on the preview pane. i hear audio, but no video or coherent timeline controls etc. i went down as low as i cd go in project preview quality in the control on the left side of the pre3view pane ., 1/4.
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Post by saby on Mar 19, 2024 7:58:10 GMT
I don't know what's wrong with the videos from this camera, but can tell my PS26 is able to edit 4:2:2 10 bits footage.
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Post by tonyp on Mar 19, 2024 12:45:12 GMT
idic5, what new camera? I edit 10bit 4:2:2 often from my Panasonic G9. Unless you can provide a sample of the problematic footage, it's hard to diagnose.
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Post by RicRoller on Mar 19, 2024 14:21:12 GMT
idic5 , what new camera? I edit 10bit 4:2:2 often from my Panasonic G9. Unless you can provide a sample of the problematic footage, it's hard to diagnose. Another angle to the issue - what graphics card (or chipset)?
The QuickSync hardware in older Intel integrated graphics (certainly the case for 8th generation and before) does not support H.264 with 4:2:2 coding (even at 8 bits); only 4:2:0. If the OP's PC does have such elderly onboard graphics, switching Studio's hardware acceleration from "Intel" to "None" might allow the footage to be viewed and edited (albeit slowly)
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Post by idic5 on Apr 1, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
i'd be curious to see your specs of working 10 bit to compare
cam: sony a7cii.
MOVIE RECORDING FORMAT (XAVC S 4K)
3840 x 2160 (4:2:2, 10bit) (Approx.): 59.94p (200Mbps)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
driver 31.0.15.3141
date 2023
Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700KF, 3400 Mhz, 16 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
win 11 64 gb ram. just bought new 13th gen
medainfo:
Complete name : C:\Users\idic5\2024-0318-little-shop\video\C0061.MP4
Format : XAVC
Codec ID : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/nras/iso6)
File size : 14.9 GiB
Duration : 10 min 7 s
Overall bit rate : 211 Mb/s
Frame rate : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date : 2024-03-18 23:58:09 UTC
Tagged date : 2024-03-18 23:58:09 UTC
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Format Range@L5.1@High
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 10 min 7 s
Bit rate : 200 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.402
Stream size : 14.1 GiB (95%)
Encoded date : 2024-03-18 23:58:09 UTC
Tagged date : 2024-03-18 23:58:09 UTC
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Metas : 3
Codec configuration box : hvcC
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win 11 64 gb ram. just bought new 13th gen
OS Name Microsoft Windows 11 Home
Version 10.0.22631 Build 22631
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name CYBERPOWERPC
System Manufacturer ASUS
System Model System Product Name
System Type x64-based PC
System SKU SKU
Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700KF, 3400 Mhz, 16 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 0809, 1/6/2023
SMBIOS Version 3.5
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode UEFI
BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
BaseBoard Product PRIME Z790-P WIFI
BaseBoard Version Rev 1.xx
Platform Role Desktop
Secure Boot State Off
PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.22621.2506"
User Name cyberpowerpc\idic5
Time Zone Central Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 64.0 GB
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Post by saby on Apr 1, 2024 9:39:15 GMT
It's HEVC. Have you installed HEVC Windows' extension on your computer ?
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Post by saby on Apr 1, 2024 10:19:30 GMT
HEVC, 60 fps, 10 bits, 4:2:2, UHD, 200 Mbps => big challenge for the CPU or GPU to decode it !
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Post by idic5 on Apr 1, 2024 20:30:44 GMT
yes, i did install hevc from ms play store for .99. i got this from googling this problem. i also found googling that people flat out said ps26 cannot do 422 10 bit.
you guys are the first i saw who said cd do it , so i am very interested.
so tony . you process 10 bit , but what is your fps and your mbps you are working? also what is your... codec? you usimg hvec?
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Post by RicRoller on Apr 1, 2024 22:37:19 GMT
According to the Nvidia "GPU support matrix" (https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new) a colour space encoding of 4:2:2 isn't listed for any Geforce chipsets; only 4:2:0 and 4:4:4. So is that an omission in Nvidia's hardware capability, or in those tables on the website?
BTW for 12th/13th gen Intel on-chip graphics, 4:2:2 is listed. But alas I see your CPU is the "KF" variant without the on-chip graphics. So if the Nvidia graphics genuinely don't support 4:2:2 (only 4:2:0 and 4:4:4) you're probably snookered, and will need to change the camera settings 
Regards,
Richard
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Post by idic5 on Apr 2, 2024 2:31:59 GMT
thanks. under the hw snookered idea, i should not be able view 422 10 bit- not just in ps26, but also in viewers. and guess what , i found this to be true to a point . i cannot view in vlc, in wmp current or legacy and could not edit in davinci free.
but i did get it to view with irfan64, my goto photo editor from forever. so how does irfan do this -- and beutifully done btw - if my hw would prevent this?
further, as i researched my problem , and found others having this problem , i found solutions to be to convert the hvec 200000 mbps 10 bit 422 to other 10 bit 422 formats, with apple pro res 10 bit 422 the most common cited. there have been a few converters advised, but the one that worked was our old friend, virtualdub , now updated to virtualdub2 to do this heavy lifting . this was able to read decode the hvec 10 bit 422 and convert to apple pro res. another one it could convert to was avid's format, dnxhr hqx . once so converted, davinci free can now process it, but ps26 still could not. i'd rather work with what i know , ps26 , than learning davinci. ps26 had the same problem processing the converted files as it did with the orig file.
so the question is: how does virtualdub amd irfan64 decode this when the hw chip and gpu specs say no?
also, so if i had the k chip, this might hv worked?
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Post by tonyp on Apr 2, 2024 8:01:13 GMT
While for me, PS can playback and edit my 10bit 4:2:2 footage, it will not export at that bit rate and color depth. It will be 8bit 4:2:0. Not a big deal for sure. And when, with Vegas Pro, rendering to 10bit 422, I saw no difference in playback looking at the sky. I use Panasonic cameras to get my footage. It is wrapped in MOV. I'll attach MediaInfo at the end. One thing I would never do is HEVC although my camera can do it. It requires too much number crunching making editing and playback more difficult. That's why ProRes is what a lot of "pros" will use. Easy to edit, but the downside is the files are huge. But again, easy to edit with just about any hardware. What are you recording that requires such a high bitrate in HEVC?
General
Complete name : E:\Vacations\Croatia 2021\Video\P1000680.MOV
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt 2011.07 (qt /pana)
File size : 605 MiB
Duration : 33 s 33 ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 154 Mb/s
Frame rate : 23.976 FPS
Encoded date : 2021-06-28 14:53:18 UTC
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High 4:2:2@L5.1
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=12
Format settings, Slice count : 16 slices per frame
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 33 s 33 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 150 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 180 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 10 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.752
Stream size : 589 MiB (97%)
Encoded date : 2021-06-28 14:53:18 UTC
Tagged date : 2021-06-28 14:53:18 UTC
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC
Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings : Big / Signed
Codec ID : twos
Duration : 33 s 33 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 6.05 MiB (1%)
Encoded date : 2021-06-28 14:53:18 UTC
Tagged date : 2021-06-28 14:53:18 UTC
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Post by RicRoller on Apr 2, 2024 10:47:16 GMT
thanks. under the hw snookered idea, i should not be able view 422 10 bit- not just in ps26, but also in viewers. and guess what , i found this to be true to a point . i cannot view in vlc, in wmp current or legacy and could not edit in davinci free. but i did get it to view with irfan64, my goto photo editor from forever. so how does irfan do this -- and beutifully done btw - if my hw would prevent this? further, as i researched my problem , and found others having this problem , i found solutions to be to convert the hvec 200000 mbps 10 bit 422 to other 10 bit 422 formats, with apple pro res 10 bit 422 the most common cited. there have been a few converters advised, but the one that worked was our old friend, virtualdub , now updated to virtualdub2 to do this heavy lifting . this was able to read decode the hvec 10 bit 422 and convert to apple pro res. another one it could convert to was avid's format, dnxhr hqx . once so converted, davinci free can now process it, but ps26 still could not. i'd rather work with what i know , ps26 , than learning davinci. ps26 had the same problem processing the converted files as it did with the orig file. so the question is: how does virtualdub amd irfan64 decode this when the hw chip and gpu specs say no? also, so if i had the k chip, this might hv worked? VirtualDub and Irfanview most likely have their own software decoders, so don't depend on there being support in the graphics hardware.
If your motherboard has support for the on-chip graphics (i.e. has the chassis display connector(s), yes, having the "K" instead of "KF" variant of your CPU would have given access to the Intel graphics. Unfortunately no guarantee that Studio would then be able to handle the files as it might still not understand the file format (even though what is inside ought to be readable)
But, like Tony, I am curious as to why you are using HEVC as opposed to AVC (H.264) and at such a high video bit rate? (Is it just because those settings happen to be the camera's "default"/"best")?
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Post by h.j.wolters on Apr 8, 2024 18:03:58 GMT
Hi.
My standard:
Video
ID : 1
Format : ProRes
Format version : Version 0
Format profile : 422
Codec ID : apcn
Duration : 21 s 320 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 492 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.374
Stream size : 1.22 GiB (100%)
Writing library : bmd0
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-03-31 23:48:10
Tagged date : UTC 2022-03-31 23:48:10
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
There is no problem at all with PS26U.
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Post by saby on Apr 8, 2024 18:42:25 GMT
This Mediainfo report says nothing about color depth.
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Post by dan on Apr 23, 2024 7:47:29 GMT
This Mediainfo report says nothing about color depth. ProRes 422 is 10bit c.d. |
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